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Когда дружественный фонд решил заобналить 2 млн своих токенов (всего им раздавали по сотке):

 

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У Рефлектива еще больше 20 млн токенов на кошельках, у Питии полная сумка. Перспективы туманны)

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Мнение от уважаемых лиц:

 

Medha Parlikar, [12.01.19 22:44]
There was an unwillingness to invest in engineers dedicated to testing.  There was also an unwillingness to slip the roadmap to account for testing.  Even though the developers wanted to do more testing.  The architecture is not easy to understand, it's complex.  Rholang is simple, but not easy.  The reason the definition of Mercury is now nebulous, is because the technical leadership has exited the project.  Now only Greg and maybe Kent really understand what is being built.

Medha Parlikar, [12.01.19 22:45]
Kelly is the one on the stage.  The Program Management team behind the scenes, Deanna and Ned are the ones that need to speak up.

Medha Parlikar, [12.01.19 22:46]
None of this would have happened if the coop's finances hadn't been destabilized by the immersion deal.

 

Кажется, большие проблемы не только из-за дампа фондов. Как и писал, для меня важный поинт - запуск паблик тестнета. 

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20го января выкатят финансовую отчетность - ждем, чтобы полазить по кошелькам и найти новые теории заговора.

 

Попытался пообщаться с админом в чате, но получил очень сухой фидбэк:

- на вопрос "Сколько человек сейчас работает на рчейн и получает зарплату? Сколько из них занимается программированием?" получил ответ "Не знаю точно, около 10" (как хочешь, так и понимай);

- "Что насчет программистов на добровольных началах - "Есть";

- "Пития с самого начала имеет опцию продать все свои токены в любой момент времени, как это делает Рефлектив?" - "Да". Пока это делает неактивно - спустя полтора года, еще больше 2/3 на кошельке. 

 

В общем, надо было сначала скорешиться с этим @OjimaduChidindu, а потом приставать с вопросами.

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Как используют Рсонг для создания веб-инфраструктуры Рчейна - https://blog.rchain.coop/blog/2019/01/17/how-we-used-rsong-to-build-rchains-new-web-infrastructure/

 

Подкаст с фаундером Рчейн Азиа Jonathan Kochmer, который входил в список первых десяти разрабов Амазона в 1995 году (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathankochmer/ - чумовое портфолио) - https://blog.rchain.coop/blog/2019/01/17/listen-to-rchain-asias-jonathan-kochmer-on-decrypt-asia/

Тоже любитель музыки, если вы понимаете о чем я))

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9 минут назад, T сказал:

Как используют Рсонг для создания веб-инфраструктуры Рчейна - https://blog.rchain.coop/blog/2019/01/17/how-we-used-rsong-to-build-rchains-new-web-infrastructure/

 

Подкаст с фаундером Рчейн Азиа Jonathan Kochmer, который входил в список первых десяти разрабов Амазона в 1995 году (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathankochmer/ - чумовое портфолио) - https://blog.rchain.coop/blog/2019/01/17/listen-to-rchain-asias-jonathan-kochmer-on-decrypt-asia/

Тоже любитель музыки, если вы понимаете о чем я))

 

Что-то начинаешь запутывать тропки. Раньше было ясно-понятно, ждём пока фонды сольют свои токены. А с такими ребятами уже не так понятно. Скажи уже когда покупать, и когда продавать!

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У них начались хитровыебанные игры)

Перестали лить на дельту из основного хранилища. Казалось бы, вперед на луну. Но эксплолер эфира не дурак и видит все транзы. Оказывается, вот этот кошелек Рефлектива, где были розданы 10 млн токенов почти год назад (https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x0cf2f706980e977e4c16338791c43f0421e21a2c, один из официальных адресов Рефлектива из отчетности рчейна), до сих пор активный - они раздали токены сами себе. То их запасы больше, чем ожидалось) Не знаю, в чем была их схема, когда они разделили на 10 кошельков по 1 млн, но теперь все это депается на тот же кошелек кукоина, на который депалось с основного хранилища. 

 

За последние 5 дней они депнули 6 млн токенов на кукоин. Чтобы понять, что происходило раньше в такие моменты, нужно взглянуть на график рчейна от 14 ноября и посмотреть на текущий момент. Но в этот раз начались какие-то игры, тк курс не падает, а растет. Я на этом уже успел уебаться, тк как только активно пошли депозиты в последние пару дней (+ есть еще один кошелек с 5кк, который тоже закинул баланс на биржу), то продал часть с целью перезакупить 😀 Раньше они лили в стакан, а теперь что-то мутят, тк за эти пять дней объемов нет даже на пару млн. 

 

Апд. Сфейлил - первые символы этого кошелька на 10кк совпадали с Рефлективом, но оказался другой. Этому кошельку раздал сам кооператив.

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спасибо за инфу. Я уж думал, что может нашли льющего и отрезали ему руки. Ан нет,  мутят что-то )

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@cp287 сегодня ситуация нормализовалась)

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https://blog.rchain.coop/blog/2019/01/25/rchain-update-112-proposed-wallet-solution-for-rhoc-rev-conversion/

 

Очередной еженедельный апдейт. Грег на конфе Бинанса, какая-то компания по токенизации предметов искусства (ART в опасности), локальные сходки в Азиатском регионе.

Финансовый отчет задерживается - да, мы уже поняли, что по финансовым вопросам в проекте черная дыра.

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Читал сегодня дискорд Rchain, некоторая информация оттуда.

Влад Замфир не бросает Rchain, что он подтвердил в твиттере:

 

Комментарий Грега о ситуации с Замфиром (якобы он кидает Rchain ради Casper Labs):

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i trust Vlad and not theblock.

theblock has knowingly published false information.

In the meantime, we have passed every single diligence point in the deal with flying colors and are in the final stage of diligence.(изменено)

i am even more confident now than i have been.

As for people’s interpretation of my comments, i was expressing the point that there is a much more sustainable model than one where an artist’s crowdsourcing exhausts her audience.

My comments about NPR were in jest not serious.

 

Судя по общению Мао (влиятельный инвестор из Китая) с Грегом финансовые проблемы RChain Coop позади, в том числе благодаря перепродаже immersion:

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Mao:

Do you know why we are angry? Even if the immersion reselling is done, the coop earned $1B, it does not mean you are right. The point is, you should not put the coop in such a situation. you should know what is the priority, what is the to be option. Even the coop recovered from financial problems. the damage already happened, the survival only means lucky to escape from death. but the death is never near if behaves proper. The past is past. But I think ones in responsibility should reflect the whole thing, just like after a go game (everyone knows the AlphaGo news), look back what which steps were good, which steps were bad, and how to avoid those bad and keep those good later. And, we never see you done this. You are still think you are totally proud of your past decision.

 

 

Greg:

Thanks for your feedback!

i stood in front of the community multiple times and named and owned my mistakes as i saw them.

Do you need me to do it again?

Will that help you feel better?

The truth is that the deal is going through.

 

Mao:

I don't have such an impression. OK, since you now claim it publicly this time, the knot in my and other's heart is dismissed. Let's move on. You know I am always a firm supporter.

 

Финансовый отчёт был отложен до 1 февраля:

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TLDR:...we will not be able to make the [January 20th] deadline due to limited resources ... we estimate ... by February 1

 

Ответ на вопросы про аппаратные кошельки и их наличие при старте сети. Ответ: нет, сначала поддержки аппартных кошельков не будет, но её будет достаточно легко сделать:

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Mr.T: 

Good to see the progress being made on the wallets. I have a few questions regarding the REV issuance and the RChain wallets after watching the debrief. 1. Does the current progress on the wallets make it easier to determine whether hardware wallets will be supported during the launch of Mercury? What are the expectations from the dev team? 2. In case HW wallets are not supported, what would the process be like if you used multiple addresses containing RHOCS on a single HW wallet? Will a mnomic phrase be supported which will generate all underlying addresses? Maybe this is a point which could be clarified in the FAQ as well (support for mnomic phrases or not). 3. Would it technically be possible to sign a message to proof ownership of an address, instead of exposing the private key /mnomic phrase of a HW wallet? In this case the HW wallet wouldn't be exposed. Or is the private key necessary to create the JSON files/ wallets?

 

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@Mr.T: Although I'm not on the core dev team, I think I can safely address these questions. 1. The key management and signing capabilities of HW wallets are pretty distinct from the wallet dApp's interaction with the nodes. If the design of the transactions to be signed is similar to Ethereum (and @dckc: has done work on this), then HW wallet integration should be relatively straightforward. A wallet dApp prepares a transaction and sends it (or a hash of it) to the HW wallet (through a HW wallet-specific software integration) to be signed. Once signed, the wallet dApp sends it to the blockchain node. Note that the features.md list https://github.com/rchain/rchain/blob/dev/docs/features.md does not include integration with a HW wallet as a requirement for Mercury launch, and I agree with that. Integration with HW wallet can be added later by the co-op or a 3rd party wallet dApp provider.(изменено)

2. HD wallets, whether HW or SW, can generate lots of key-pairs. These key-pairs can be regenerated by other wallets or standalone tools, such as https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ . HD wallets are currently not on the Mercury features list, and I agree with that. Similar to the above, 3rd party wallet providers can supply HD capabilities.

3. Once a wallet dApp has integration with the particular HW wallet product, the private key does not need to leave the HW wallet. I expect that multiple wallet dApps will emerge after Mercury launch with various capabilities. The co-op supplied wallet must at a minimum support the import and use of a private key.

Lots more discussion about wallets on the #wallet channel.

 

Подключаются китайские разработчики, которые потестировали Rnode и им понравилось:

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Hey all, great news from Lei Hao , RChain Asia's Chinese Community Manager / Marketer: "We’ve discussed on the RNode testing within Chinese community since Monday to make sure Will is well supported. The RNode test guide has been translated and shared with Will on Wednesday. The testing was held yesterday night at 9pm (Thursday in China). We have dozens of developers [expressing interest in] joining and others were discussing in QQ groups. Will can have more details for you later." We only came up with this idea a week ago, and now it's happening. There's lots of low-hanging fruit opportunities to do great things for RChain, start looking around...

 

Mark Pui, недавно добавленный в совет директоров Coop, представился в дискорде:

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Hi everyone. I wanted to take this chance to introduce myself to all of you. I am "oldskool" - so my discord ID is my name 🙂 (Note: Apologies, I am not often on Discord.) I am a recent addition to the Board of the Coop (as per the notification made earlier by the Coop). I wanted to share with you (1) my philosophy/thoughts behind the role, (2) what I am focusing on, and (3) how I am hoping the community can help as well.

Firstly, my background (please feel free to add me on LinkedIn). I retired sometime in 2018 after about 2 decades in management consulting and corporate finance/M&A. My day-to-day was basically client advisory, both private sector and public sector.  After retirement, I turned my focus to my private and public equity investments. Ironically, after retirement, I actually spend more time on planes visiting and supporting entrepreneurial teams across the world. Private equities in US/Europe and public equities in Asia - that is roughly my interest/focus area.

(1) My philosophy/thoughts behind the role: By and large, I recognize that RChain has had a troubled history recently. I don't believe in fault finding, as opposed to problem solving. (Caveat: Unless that fault finding is part of the problem solving.) I am not the type to harp on individuals per se. I intend to draw on my past experiences (and hopefully not-rusty skills) in helping the Board and Coop work through various matters / issues.  I am a fairly structured kind of person: The kind of person who builds financial models and powerpoint presentations as his idea of a romantic dinner date.  Therefore, I am rather documentation-driven and process-flow-compliant.  However, as I am more logic/fact-driven than emotionally-passionate, I apologise in advance to the Coop (and my fellow Board members) if I may come across brusque or abrupt.  I tend to write in bullet points too.

(2) What I am focusing on: The bulk of my time on the Board will be on matters related to the Audit & Finance Committee (AFC).  Good, reliable operational & financial information forms the bedrock of sound decision making.  Or at least that is what I believe.  To this end, the role of the AFC is to assess & monitor our audit, reporting and controls framework and policies.  I have put together a detailed information/documentation request list that the Coop is working on (alongside its preparation of the accounts).  Hopefully, this will help inform all of us re: areas of concern & improvement (as mentioned, I am more forward-looking, rather than backward-looking).

(3) How I am hoping the community can help as well: This is probably the most important part! The AFC will have space for non-Board participants/observers to support its work and I intend to draw on the Coop's universe of members with diverse experience.  If you would like to volunteer your time to support the work of the AFC, please ping me on Discord.  For those who pinged me on Discord with ideas and suggestions, I am grateful.  Keep them coming.  For those who pinged me on Discord asking relevant and pertinent questions, the answers are coming.  All in due course.

Lastly, if the Coop goes to a sound footing, and if the ship is sailing well, I have said this to several of you: I do not intend to put myself up for a seat on the Board in future.  My lifespan in this role is limited to helping the Coop get through this immediate period.  My promise to the community is to give it my all/best during this period of time - I won't let up! Over time, I am sure there will be candidates better than myself emerging to support the Board and Coop in its continued journey.

 

I wish everyone an excellent 2019.

Regards, Mark https://www.linkedin.com/in/markpui

 

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https://rchain.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/CORE/pages/105709609/The+Flight+to+Mercury - онлайн-роадмэп, постоянно теряю эту ссылку)

 

для тех, кто хочет следить за проектом в телеге, создал ру-чат по рчейну https://t.me/ru_rchain

 

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Sharan Bakshiram, [31.01.19 07:16]
How much is the circulating supply of rchain?

 

ysgjay, [31.01.19 07:42] admin
409,400,000

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А вот это чрезвычайно забавно - куда уходят деньги?))

 

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да, я видел это сообщение, но решил пока не постить его, так как нет никаких фактов. Но раз уж оно появилось, то на это один из членов кооператива ответил, что считает, что RV поставило приоритеты в том, какие контракты они будут стараться выполнять, и по которым готовы забить.

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jquerci:

I will repost my thoughts (no inside information) from telegram: I saw this. My only speculation is that their financial situation is worse then even I thought and they are prioritizing which contracts they are honoring and which ones they are willing to default on. The one thing I can’t imagine is the case where they would stop funding their companies so they can run off with $10k’s of dollars. That seems ridiculous, yet again this is only speculation which I try to avoid.(изменено)

And for the record I am not happy about the situation yet trying to think about it logically

 

Меня, кстати, взяли волонтёром в проверку финансов Rchain, и завтра по этому поводу уже будет первый созвон.

 

А Greg Heuss из RV наносит ответный удар, обвиняя Rchain в невыполнении договора, цензуре, и угрозе жизни:

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RChain community - RVP made the decision several weeks ago to stay off of RChain discord/telegram. The reasons were many, primarily due to the false information, assumptions, unfounded acquisitions, name calling, etc. that were constantly coming towards Reflective. Most of these comments came from participants that wouldn't share their name, background, interest etc. yet expect RVP to be open and forward with them. I answered all direct messages that came to me only after I understood who/what the intentions were of the asking person. Yesterday was very telling when my team received a death threat from the community on telegram/discord. It iterated to us further why we stay away from such channels.
All that being said - I listened to and heard your voices requesting more information and what the RVP direction was moving forward. I agreed to do an interview with Derek of RChain - we recored the interview (about 30 min in length) several weeks ago and it was to run in early Jan. My understanding from Derek when I asked about its air date was that the reason it has not run was that Kenny and some members of the BOD had issues with what I said and therefore refused to post it.

This is very concerning to myself specifically as an RChain co-op member let alone as the Managing Partner at Reflective. Censoring this interview for whatever reason is flat out wrong and not what I and presume must of you signed up to be a part of in regards to the RC community. Just because you disagree or don't like what someone says doesn't give you the right to censor that individual.
The questions I know will come as to "what did you say and why did the interview get censored". Here is one possible answer: The agreement between RVP and RChain is set to expire tomm. (1/31/19) - I honestly don't know what will happen next. RVP has delivered everything we were required to in accordance with our Strategic Partnership Agreement. We concluded last year by sending over quarterly reports and a year end summary. RChain on the other hand has not full-filled all its duties - primarily the building and delivering of a working protocol - per our agreement, which was to be delivered by 12/31/18. By not delivering the protocol RChain is in breach of contract. It is plain, simple and factual - the SPA between RVP and RC is posted for you all to see and look into for yourselves. This is one of the items I brought up in the interview that has been "banned".

Our desire at RVP has always been to look out for the best interest of RChain and the community and to be a solid partner. It has become increasing difficult to do so with all that has happened over the past 6 months. A partnership has to go both ways and we feel it has been very one sided for reasons that are both baffling and completely ill-logical. Hopefully we'll come to some sort of resolution with RChain - we have been and are prepared to talk with them at anytime.
In the meantime we are seeking LP(s) to continue the funding of the brilliant 23 companies in our portfolio. We are very confidant that due to the strong nature of our portfolio we will have no issue raising those funds. How RChain is involved in the future with RVP and our portfolio companies is still very much a question.

 

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@GregH First let me say that threats are unacceptable no matter what the differences. Second nothing was stopping RV from relaseing their own video to the community although I agree censoring would not be the type of actions I would want to see from the coop. That said I am open to being corrected but how can RV claim to have executed on these sections?....

I understand how some items can get overlooked yet I also think that IF things were to get adversarial with RV, items (some of which material) such as lack of providing the coop contractually obligated financials on a quarterly basis coupled with the somewhat ambiguous wording around the consequences of a delay in mainnet is more then enough to bring parties to the negotiating table.
@GregH In regards to the sections 2.3.b.i &2.3.b.ii these are the ones I am curious as to how RV could claim they have been completed.
i. Secure three major strategic partners (e.g. a side-chain offering); ii. Secure one of the larger post-ICO companies (e.g., Kik,FileCoin, or similarly sized post-ICO company) to use the RChain platform

And while I'm sure you will be able to point to things the coop has not delivered I do not see this as a one sided issue

Also unless I am missing a part of the contract the date the protocol mainnet was due called for 3 month extention of existing terms if not delivered I belive. Again I may be mistake and will humbly stand to be corrected. Lastly would the coop not be entitled to 80% of the Fund1 proceeds from RHOC sales if they are not used to fund the portfolio companies?

 

Greg пытается отмазаться (неужели он действительно думает, что названные компании сравнимы с Kik, FileCoin и прочих?):

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Three strategics: Berkeley Blockchain, Harvard Blockchain group, DNA, Futurism, etc, etc. as the protocol has not been delivered kinda hard to get a larger co to use the RC platform. We had and have several that were ready to go but due to the failure of RChain and delivery they couldn't happen. We did deliver quarterly reports and an annual summary. Those reports are confidential and the community will not see them. They contain private financial info about the portfolio co's.

 

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jquerci:Вчера в 20:26

@GregH I appreciate the response yet you did not address the 3month extention(s) as worded in the contract. Not sure if I missed something or it's a legal tactic to spin the wording but it appears the RV contract is very different and less cut and dry regarding a delayed mainnet. Do you disagree?

Also is your take that Rchain loses it's 80% portion of Fund1 stake in the portfolio companies to RV if final judgement is against the coop or does it simply untether RV and the coop from all other commitments? I ask as regardless of how you feel or if you do or can move to another protocol cutting the coop off of the investment it made is fairly punitive and not something that would build any type of respect for RV in the crypto space in general.

GregH:Вчера в 20:39

regarding the "three month extension" - that applies to Ventures services and milestones and those are extended - meaning if RC doesn't deliver a protocol by the end of year one (2018) then RVP has an extra three months to full-fill its side of its obligations if RVP hasn't already done so. RVP has full-filled all its milestones.

GregH:Вчера в 20:46

regarding the 80% - we are prepared to negotiate that - it is all based on value and worth from RC. It isn't hard to argue that the value that RC has brought and what they can bring in the future is nominal - particularly around delivering a working protocol - keep in mind that is what we agreed to in our partnership - we would bring the dApps (and many other things) and RC would bring a protocol - those dApps would build on the RC protocol. Simple. Unfortunately the protocol is no where near ready and we nor our portfolio's have any idea when it will be ready and most importantly if RC will have enough funds to get to a main net launch. Our portfolio co's are stuck - what would you do if you were them? burn more cash to build towards a protocol that is questionable - at best - or cut ties and go somewhere that has promise?

jquerci:Вчера в 21:02

@GregH I will leave it at this and I fully understand you are stating a negotiating position but still appreciate you engaging. I think both sides have failed to meet certain criteria and I fully understand the dapp concerns. That said to say the $ you did raise by selling rhoc to fund these companies is anything but a massive reason you were able to fund them is disingenuous (even if not as much as you had projected). To not pass any of this value back to the community via ownership stake in the portfolio companies is nothing short of running off with that value and at best on a technicality. This is not to say the dapp must be held hostage to rchain as i understand that point. Also do not forget that part of the funding shortfall you do have i assume is related to ambitious doubling of the number of portfolio companies above what was allocate for initially.

 

А потом подключился и азиат Mao:

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It seems that all the reason RV proposed is quite reasonable. But, wait... Reasons are easy to find, in any direction. So why RV choose this way? We can see those facts: - Manager of RV lead CasperLabs, sabotage the dev team, thus contribute the delay of the mainnet. - RV constantly drained RHOCs at any cost to put down the market, from $3 to $0.015, thus contribute the financial crisis. RV claimed that the dump is for the portfolio companies, but at least one of the company said that received no money for half a year. So, what for? My explain is: RV has longly decided to break with the Coop, perhaps for CasperLabs. RV is trying to put chaos on RChain, so if RChain fails, resources can flow to Casper, i.e. developers, community, money p.s I agree with this said by RV: Just because you disagree or don't like what someone says doesn't give you the right to censor that individual. I don't blame RV, It's not coincident that the COOP broke with all its partners: Pithia/RV/Pyrofex. I don't know much about Pithia/RV, but I am sure Pyrofex are backed with good peoples. The only explain with the past board of the COOP is brain damage .... I hope the new board can prevent all those drama. Let's see how Tezos fund ecosystem: 1. Anyone who want to start project on tezos, should create a demo first. 2. A committee will evaluate the demo, and decide whether to fund or not. Then the cycle iterate over and over. So, no blood suckers, no underground benefit transfer. Any project performs bad in the past will not get funded later. The fund efficiency is controllable If the Coop relies Pithia/RV to do those, the procedure should be formulated in advance, and the evaluation of each funded project should be presented regularly. The Coop has the obligation to do so, for taking serious of investors money. But, what did we see? nothing... Nothing can make me confident that no blood suckers and benefit transfer exists

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jquerci:Вчера в 22:47

@Mao毛毛 The pyrofex break was an expedited exitsing plan to help with costs unless you are saying that Nash Foster was lying which I do not believe. RV is a VC and based on how this is handled potentially of questional morals (to be determined). I agree with many of the issues raised regarding the coop's decisions yet if RV truely felt censored they could have released they own video or answered questions for months prior to them having dumped what they dumped and now claiming they owe the coop nothing. Even if (big if) they are are legally correct that is not the type of partner I would ever invest with or take an investment from as you are only as successful as the people around you. So if the people around you out of greed choose not to hedge their obligations and over extend their obligations past contractual agreements they need to own their fault as well and should not try and run off with the value they did get from the coop simply because they feel they can.(изменено)

 

mnp_jaime:Вчера в 22:48

@Mao毛毛. I agree with the assessment, it looks pretty clear the intent of all the sales was to knockdown price of the rhoc token, cause panic and buyout. Sad that all of this came at the expense of those who funded them. "Rchain value is nominal"....of course the value is down, they sold 80m tokens. Like @El Pollo Loco stated, practically every web3 project is delayed.

RV could have asked for a buyout or negotiated their exit without killing the price and having us deal with all this drama

Looks super selfish and greedy on RVs part. The price crashed from $3 to .015 cents. Thanks RV

 

GregH:Сегодня в 00:49

the above from @Mao毛毛 , @jquerci and @mnp_jaime are the exact kind of ridiculous, unfounded, conspiracy theory comments that has led me to stay off of discord. What is the point of me stating whatRVP has done, how/why we did it and base my comments off actual milestones and objectives (all of which RVP met and in most cases exceeded) when those facts I mention are spun to suit their own beliefs. Some members actually say "I am not sure" or "I don't know all the facts" yet continue to act as though they understand all the underling points and while spewing false comments. If you have facts to back up what you are saying or have knowledge of the subject feel free to ask me questions. I will ask that you tell me your real name, what your interest is and how the question you are asking concerns you. Provide that info - which is no more than what I have shared with this community - and I'll answer. If you hide behind some "handle" and spout nonsense that you can't back up or are willing to stamp your real name to I have no desire or time to address you.

 

mnp_jaime:Сегодня в 00:53

@GregH: the facts that i know RV has sent over 80m tokens. A dapp company states you have not funded them since august i believe, but you keep selling and you want to negotiate a buyout. Almost all web3 projects are deleyed, but yet RV is looking to exit. Did i miss something ?

 

Mao路路:Сегодня в 00:54

@GregH: Please be concrete. About RV, I have my freedom to express my opinion, and I have explicitly state what is opinion, and what is fact. You just blame that the coop censored your msg, and now you want to censor my msg? Your duty is to clarify fact, such as those: >We can see those facts: - Manager of RV lead CasperLabs, sabotage the dev team, thus contribute the delay of the mainnet. - RV constantly drained RHOCs at any cost to put down the market, from $3 to $0.015, thus contribute the financial crisis. RV claimed that the dump is for the portfolio companies, but at least one of the company said that received no money for half a year. So, what for?

 

mnp_jaime:Сегодня в 00:56

@GregH: fyi, to become a coop member we had to pass a kyc of sorts, so i am not sure why you also require personal information ?

 

jquerci:Сегодня в 01:14

@GregH I am not here to argue I made a clear point and have always used my real name and noted when something was specualtive I am moving on and we will see how things play out. I said NOTHING conspiratorial ever and simply stated that to say the coop provided little or no value is ridiculous even IF the contract was not fully delivered. The contract says 12 companies and it is completely up to you to do more but those choices are also yours and just like the coop needs to own it's decisions so does RV. I am not cutting either side a break in my assemebt and it is based on what is public. All of this said I will once again say that you nor anyone deserve some of the unfortunate comments that were made the other day.

@@GregH lastly check the chats I have even taken negative feedback for defending RVs possible need to fund the portfolio companies and explained how it actually seems reasonable given the current situation as to why you are selling at these levels. Never once did I claim anything fraudulent on behalf of RV period. Do not lump me in with others.

 

GregH:Сегодня в 01:23

No problem @jquerci - I saw you agree with @Mao毛毛 on his ridiculous conspiracy theory. I respect your feedback and don't mean to lump you in with them in that regards.

@mnp_jaime I don't care if you made it through the co-ops KYC - if you can't state your real name and what your interest is you are hiding and I won't answer - period.

 

jquerci:Сегодня в 01:28

@GregH that perception is unintended on my part as I was agreeing with some of the facts mentioned not the theories posed. I appreciate the clarification and despite us not agreeing on some points I can understand you are facing alot criticism and will move on

 

GregH:Сегодня в 01:29

@Mao毛毛 - say whatever makes you feel better - state your opinion - i'm not "censoring" - just don't expect me to answer or respond when you accuse RVP of something you have no facts on

mnp_jaime:Сегодня в 01:30

@GregH: please just hurry and sell the remainder of your FREE rhoc. Let them rip. Last i checked, when i joined it didnt say i had to complete a secondary kyc for greg h

 

GregH:Сегодня в 01:32

@mnp_jaime too afraid to come out to the group and tell us who you are and what your interests are? Takes a big person to throw BS around and hide.

 

mnp_jaime:Сегодня в 01:35

@GregH: I stated the facts that i know. You can repsond or not. Ultimately, you have 12m bullets left. Let them fly.

 

GregH:Сегодня в 01:35

Just what I thought - coward

 

mnp_jaime:Сегодня в 01:36

@GregH: you would be surprised.

 

to be continued...

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Черновик статьи о политике, распределении денег и как на это может повлиять блокчейн, которую Грег Мередит, бывший президент Рчейна, готовит к публикации: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G22Jh7Up5-ukaUkRuOfn7WGvq97VM0M6-Og5w9Xbr1E/edit

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Судя по переписке, этот Greg Heuss какой-то неадекват, а точнее хитрожопый, крутит хвостом и мутит схему. Но это было бы слишком банально) Думаю, там какая-то многоходовочка, но не понятно, кто в ней кроме RV замешан.

Теория о Каспер Лабсе и дампе рчейна, как вариант, но это слишком нагло - в таких делах больше искусства.

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Этот оборзевший Greg Heuss продолжает писать о том, какие все плохие вокруг, а не о том как он просрал 230 миллионов долларов за год:

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I continue to receive notes, posts and mentions about RVP claiming it is our fault that RHOC and RC are in the place they are due to our actions.
Here is a short list of a few of things that have happened at RChain over the past 18 months. Before you pass fault/blame on RVP where have you been to raise your voice when: The co-op raised $35M, watched it run up to $55M in value and no one insisted that they convert the original $35M into USD All White papers and other related disclosures stated that RChain was raising funds to build a protocol (no mention of dedicating significant dollars for a right to assign a codec). RChain represented to all investors in first and second private token sale that RChain was building a “next generation” scalable, POS protocol. The RVP founders persistently insisted RC to NOT work with Pithia under the terms of their agreement Pithia was granted 105M RHOC, they were obligated to pay $.05/per Rhoc (approx. $5M), which Pithia paid – later, however, RChain gave it back. So, RChain has still NEVER been paid by Pithia for the 105M RHOC and Pithia has gone completely dark and produced/returned zero to the community. RC sends one legal letter after another to Pithia for various issues and RC chooses not to follow-up and condemn them on any of those incidences RChain had an agreement to share the downtown Seattle, Pioneer Square space w/Reflective ($10k/month), which was designed to foster collaboration between RChain, Reflective and portfolio cos – instead, RChain buys w/all cash ($1.5M) a house in West Seattle, ignores agreement w/Reflective. Meanwhile RVP is sitting on a five year lease with no shared tenant.

A top 5 globally recognized Venture firm considers investing $15M+ in RC, pulls out due to fear of: lack of mgt and governance oversight, RC not controlling the tech build, no visible marketing actions, belief that RHolang is too complex and will never be widely adopted The coop chooses to spend a reported $23M + on a music codec - not for an ownership stake but rather a right to assign its tech - draining 3/4 of its treasury To date RChain has spent maybe $8M (reasonable estimate) development/design of the protocol – while they have committed/obligated to $23M for a codec, which was NEVER disclosed to investors. You can’t take investors money telling them you are going to do “X”, then, after you have their money and without their consent, do “Y”. That is classic fraud! RC demo's the Rsong tech at DevCon claims it is run on the blockchain - later retracts statement and says it wasn't "on-chain" GregM states publicly that he has $40M lined up for the validator program - never materialized The validator sale gets yanked off the table after weeks of unclarity to the community Main-net gets pushed to Dec 2018, then March 2019 then ????? 1/2 the new BOD members elected decline their awarded seats The primary contractor of the tech (Pyrofex) pulls out of its contract with RC Key community members and approx. 1/2 the devs leave for other protocols and projects

The price of RHOC falls and with that RChain drops from a top 35 project to below 300 in rankings There is an approximate $3.5M tax liability owed to the IRS for 2017 - which is payable April 15, 2019. I can say with 100% certainty that RVP attempted to counsel, advise, discourage each and every one of the incidents above where/when we had an opportunity. We spoke loudly and took many shots about our opposing views - RChain unfortunately went ahead with all of this and that is why they are in the position they are today. It's time for them and this community to stop pointing fingers and realize most if not all of this was preventable.

 

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Лучше бы нашли выход из ситуации, а не хуесосили друг друга

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Так нет проблемы в ситуации. Курс уже упал, и осталось только делить то, что было закуплено на эти деньги) Кто победит - того и подписанные фирмы.

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Бывшие сотрудники, ушедшие со скандалом, заспамили официальный чат буллшитом про рчейн и рекламой CL. Речь про Casper Labs, где теперь активно работает Замфир. После факапа с финансами Рчейна многие сотрудники свалили (Pyrofex), а специально созданный рчейном фонд восстал: слил токены, а его сотрудники и организовали этот CL, переманив разрабов)

 

В итоге оппозиция/разрабы и текущие участники дискорда пришли к тому, что Rholang - слишком сложный язык, у которого нет шанса стать массовым. 

[discord] <JoshyOrndorff:>References regarding missing rholang features. There were lots and still are lots.
<https://joshyorndorff.com/rholang-wishlist> <- some of these have been solved  since I originally wrote it
<https://rchain.atlassian.net/browse/RCHAIN-2644>
<https://rchain.atlassian.net/browse/RCHAIN-2647>
<https://rchain.atlassian.net/browse/RCHAIN-2641>
But don't take this as me saying that rholang sucks. I love rholang and still support it. I hoipe it will be liberated from the coop.

 

Официальные представители Rchain молчат и не комментят выступления CL.

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